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馮友 | 27th Oct 2009, 17:33 | 有馬無雙 | (1426 Reads)

許久沒更新了……原諒我的任性吧

http://www.openradiohk.com/prog.php?id=56

歡迎各位下載最新的夏番回顧同時給一點意見

接下來才是正題,節目中對於「東京マグニチュード8.0」存有極大爭議,鄙人不才,來一個腦殘遊記,帶大家重溫一次回家之旅。

首先未來姊弟二人去參觀的地方是台場的日本科學未來館:

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Picture 第一、二集主要的舞台大抵就在這裡,至於第三集渡河時維基寫是「日の出桟橋」,總之就是成功離開孤島。

第四集以後才是真正開始步行回家,而且剛好是地震後第一天的冒險開始。

第四集就來到芝公園,根據劇中東京鐵塔倒塌的方向,大抵可以鎖定是以下位置。

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因為Google Map太笨,沒有照顧到「非正常需要」,所以沒法算出步行費時多少。

好了,偷換一下,如果是自行駕車的就有距離顯示。假設三位主人公都是乖乖的走大道,沒有冒險往小徑鑽,就是以下路線。

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第四集大約走了三公里左右,因為本人不熟悉,所以麻煩大家查查平均八歲的小男孩步速多久,當然要包括人潮阻塞以及中途的休息。

動畫中三人是在芝公園小休及午飯的說,算算看不用一個早上就到達了。

第五集就來到六華女学院,正式結束第一天的冒險。

故事說那裡是未來的中学校可是大家不用查了,這是一間虛構的學校!如非為了這篇腦殘考,也沒有留心發現這小細節啊!究竟這裡實際是甚麼地方,已經無法考證……(暴汗)一套號稱有嚴密資料搜集,用真實世界作背景為號召的動畫居然會搬上一間虛構的學校……咦,為什麼不用實際存在的學校?這回事有多難呢?總是叫人想不明白製作組的腦筋啊……

第六集就提及經由穿過麻布十番回去世田谷,好,有了明確地名就可以調查。因為背景都是爛爛的街道,而且又在莫名奇妙的「地方」引發Event,只好把整集都當成在麻布十番附近發生好了。

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雖然在動畫中幾乎是走了一個下午加一個上午(中間在不存在的學校中睡覺),可是事實上距離芝公園不過是1000公尺左右……(暴汗)

第一天走得太快,害怕太早回家拖不夠十二集,所以要調節步伐?

(事實上只有十一集,其中「去頭去尾」也只有九集是描寫地震災場生活ORZ)

第七集依然在不明地方避難中,明明趕著回家卻有空看人家用機械人救災……我乏力了

第八集是悠貴之死,醫院不明,沒法判斷位置。

第九集終於回到大姐頭的三軒茶屋~

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當然主人公未必真的笨笨地依公路走,也就是說實際會少於十公里。不論如何,中間至少是花了一天半的時間,更重要是在某間不知名醫院待了一段時間,看來又要問問大家,一個八歲小男孩走這麼久會不會對身體造成影響?不要忘記並非一路長行,而是不停做無聊事引發Event拖慢自己回家的時間的說ORZ

最後第十集只餘下姊弟二人乘車回家,中間又多管閒事跑去學校。因為學校又是查不出來的地方,一律當成是世田谷附近好了。

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兩區真的很接近,從大姐頭安心讓二人回家,就可知道距離極短。

加上姊弟二人大半段路都是乘順風車,可以不計算在步行之中,再說弟弟已經是幽靈了,走一萬公里也不會累死XDXDXD

也就是說整個回家之路大約是十三公里上下,如果有機會的大家試行相近的距離,當然記得途上亂入朋友的家又或去去醫院,總之無所不用其極去「拖劇情」消耗時間(暴汗)

===我是無聊的分隔線===

動畫宣傳時,誤導我以為這套是絕體絕命都市

動畫播到一半,我才驚覺這是心靈雞湯

動畫播完時,我驀然回首,發現自己收看的原來是一套靈異片

===我是無聊的分隔線===

拜託,這類題材,一套電影的長度就夠了。

為了撐夠一季的份量,害三人在路上做著多餘的事,腳本家你於心何忍?明明是歸心似箭,但卻有時間四處觸發Events,好樣的。

千忍萬忍,我最後都是忍不住想罵一句:「動畫中的角色都是NPC嗎?」主角面對「一天三餐」的餘震居然仍是像白痴般站定定,連最基本的蹲在安全地方也不會;其他角色更誇張,沒有對白沒有感想,全程像早已安排指令的喪屍般走來走去,比無機物或佈景板更不如。

我想看災場上人與人之間的互動啊……(嗚嗚)


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一直以來都很喜歡你寫的文章
特別是動畫同遊戲 幽默+風趣
所以希望你繼續努力 我們會支持你!


[引用] | 作者 風水佬 | 9th Nov 2009 01:44 | [舉報垃圾留言]

[14] Re: Im

Hi, Im, thank you for joining in the discussion.

Im :Someone called FongXXX may want me to reply for him, then i just say some.
>>Battery
From the passage you typed, i think that you know some about Japanese mobile also, but i wonder you forget something. That is the small capacity of Japanese mobile's battery. Even with a spare battery, i personally still think that is relatively "strange" for her mobile to operate for such a long period of time

Of course, this is why I have already expressed my doubt on the power consumption in the first place. Just that the author tries to explain with the spare battery "trick"... Wonder how many pieces she would have got,haha! Personally, from a male perspective, I definitely would not even bring a spare battery.

>>"I also do not buy in the idea of how relatively "easy" for the 3 to get on board the ferry."
Sorry, what you mean is "how easy they get on ferry" or "how calm they are when seeing the incident of nearby ferry" ?

Oh, how easy for them to get on the ferry in such chaotic situation. Perhaps most of people would try to be courteous, yet they were not going for panic! Jumping the long queue or being lucky is one thing but I think it would take much, much longer time than that.

You guys are right about how relatively calm they are when seeing the unlucky ones on another ferry. Well, I guess we can never understand one's psychological condition until we are in the same situation then.

This is another reason I like 彼女を守る51の方法 more than this copy-cat, in terms of attention to details, and more convincing.

Anyway, thank you once again. Keep up the good work in the radio show ;-)


[引用] | 作者 howi | 8th Nov 2009 01:05 | [舉報垃圾留言]

[13] Re: howi
howi :

有馬二,
Thank you for your response.
*HUMOUR You cannot fully understand what I have written... perhaps due to my poor grammar ;-) Yes, I have several mistakes in my ...



Someone called FongXXX may want me to reply for him, then i just say some.
>>Battery
From the passage you typed, i think that you know some about Japanese mobile also, but i wonder you forget something. That is the small capacity of Japanese mobile's battery. Even with a spare battery, i personally still think that is relatively "strange" for her mobile to operate for such a long period of time

>>"I also do not buy in the idea of how relatively "easy" for the 3 to get on board the ferry."
Sorry, what you mean is "how easy they get on ferry" or "how calm they are when seeing the incident of nearby ferry" ?

Im
[引用] | 作者 Im | 7th Nov 2009 23:05 | [舉報垃圾留言]

[12] Re: 馮友

有馬二,

Thank you for your response.

*HUMOUR You cannot fully understand what I have written... perhaps due to my poor grammar ;-) Yes, I have several mistakes in my reply.

I agree with you, their pace are not quite consistent. But the last leg of their journey was not on foot - 真理 rode a scooter, 未来 (and 悠貴's ghost) rode on the military lorry.

Anyway, do check out 彼女を守る51の方法 manga. I am sure you will find 東京マグニチュード8.0 is more like a copy-cat / mickey mouse ;-)

P.S. You guys are right about the heavy editing うみねこのなく頃に anime - it does not work to squeeze everything into one series of 26 episodes! Too many important clues have been missed out.


[引用] | 作者 howi | 6th Nov 2009 13:09 | [舉報垃圾留言]

[11] Feedback

Hi, 有馬二,

I want to share my thoughts on 東京マグニチュード8.0 But I go on, please excuse my "inability" to TYPE in Chinese, even though I am 100% Chinese who read and write it ;-p

- Regarding the route the 3 characters, 未来, 悠貴 and 真理, have passed through, you can check out the "offical" map at the anime website...

http://tokyo-m8.com/map.shtml

- In Japan, many keitai do have the capability to watch Over-the-air TV broadcast. OFTA in Hong Kong has been exploring the service availability too, and hopefully it will come in a few years.

- Even though I also think the battery life / power consumption is questionable in the anime - especially using the keitai to watch TV, some of us may have missed a clue... In one scene, (cannot remember which episode) 真理 has pulled out a spare battery from her pocket and swapped it. So it does explain how she can keep it going.

- Aftershocks described in the anime seems to be plausible according the historical records, especially the Kobe quake.

- I also do not buy in the idea of how relatively "easy" for the 3 to get on board the ferry.

- During the major disasters, medical resources of course will be stressed to the limit. Staff must prioritize the resources to take of those who can likely be treated / survivable.

- I am not a medical expert but judging the symptoms of 悠貴, I think he died of a form of hemorrhage in the brain. With the lack of comprehensive diagnosis right after his initial injury (hit by the projectile when the Tokyo tower collapsed), compounded by the hot weather and lack of quality sleep, I am not surprised at all.

- We all know 未来 just fantasizes 悠貴 was fine after the surgery. But in reality, she and 真理 has no reason to stay at the hospital anymore after the death of 悠貴. So she goes on to imagine her brother has recovered in relatively short time with the blessing of the doctors.

- I like the little neat things about how robotics can participate in the search and rescue operations in disasters; how vending machines would stop charging people for the drinks / snacks during the emergency.

- Over all, I compare this anime with a manga in the same background / theme (i.e. the after-math of a mega-quake in Tokyo), 彼女を守る51の方法 , which I think it is relatively more convincing and more comprehensive in detailing the different dangers and challenges faces by the quake survivors.

Thank you for your sharing on the radio. Keep up the good work!


[引用] | 作者 howi | 3rd Nov 2009 04:03 | [舉報垃圾留言]



不打緊,反正我也不會英文的說。文字身外物,物隨世流轉(這傢伙腦子不正常了)

原來官網有地圖的……這是何等的失態!不過即使是官網的路線圖也可見三人的腳程時快時慢,而且沒有準確距離。雖然這篇腦殘考純粹搏君一笑,但看來仍有少少少少少少少少少參考價值,未致於何等的失態XD

小人英文差勁,你的留言只看得明一成多些,不過大體都明白。最近都是在學校用電腦,沒有安裝翻譯軟體,諸多不便。然而還是給迫得浮上水面,回應一下,感謝各位支持。自己文筆粗劣,怕寫多錯多,惹人誤會,還是繼續潛水好了。

不,真是感謝大家一直支持,沒有冷落這個博客的說。

[引用版主回覆] | 作者 馮友 | 3rd Nov 2009 17:21


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動畫宣傳時,誤導我以為這套是絕體絕命都市

動畫播到一半,我才驚覺這是心靈雞湯

動畫播完時,我驀然回首,發現自己收看的原來是一套靈異片

絕對認同...

去到last果集突然變左咁既片...
我o了...


[引用] | 作者 天風 | 2nd Nov 2009 01:38 | [舉報垃圾留言]

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其實又唔係差成咁,以現在d動畫咩都天馬行空,呢套有夠寫實,人們的互動也不是少
而且姐姐的成長可能才是全作品的重點,災後面對死亡如何能走出困局才是更大的題目
可能不少人覺得比預計要差,但個人認為算不上神作都是良作了

All Your Base Are Belong To Us
[引用] | 作者 All Your Base Are Belong To Us | 28th Oct 2009 23:26 | [舉報垃圾留言]

[7] Re: L.ZERO
L.ZERO :

在聽動漫無雙時已經想到,本來不打算說的...不過馮友特地發了文,所以說一說
在一開始就有文字說明:
[我們為了追求故事的真實性,創作故事情節時,做了很多演習,但實際發生情況可能和劇情不同]
其實你們在動漫無雙中說了這麼久都是白說的...
制作者自己都知道這動畫根本不真實...真實的只有自衛隊和機械人之類而已...
p.s.浪漫...



>做了很多演習

不停在手機打SMS「來一場地震」嗎?


[引用] | 作者 路人一個 | 28th Oct 2009 21:46 | [舉報垃圾留言]

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在聽動漫無雙時已經想到,本來不打算說的...不過馮友特地發了文,所以說一說
在一開始就有文字說明:
[我們為了追求故事的真實性,創作故事情節時,做了很多演習,但實際發生情況可能和劇情不同]
其實你們在動漫無雙中說了這麼久都是白說的...
制作者自己都知道這動畫根本不真實...真實的只有自衛隊和機械人之類而已...

p.s.浪漫追星社的女主角真的有這麼難頂嗎?

L.ZERO
[引用] | 作者 L.ZERO | 28th Oct 2009 20:13 | [舉報垃圾留言]

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沒辦法,為了插入Events,腳步當然要時快時慢。至於那台虛構中學就算了,可能是製作群找不到學校贊助 XD

毛鞋
[引用] | 作者 毛鞋 | 28th Oct 2009 19:18 | [舉報垃圾留言]

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嘛...事實上...
玩絕體絕命都市...
我的確學到有關地震的知識...
不過在這套只有11集的東京マグニチュード8.0中...我什麼也學不到...只是知道了主角們的步行速度異常地"快"...||Orz


[引用] | 作者 一個謎 | 28th Oct 2009 17:54 | [舉報垃圾留言]

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估唔到你真係去去計,我以為你地係講下=_=
睇完先知原來路程係咁短,真係O嘴。災難片拖長黎做就9成失敗....


[引用] | 作者 z | 28th Oct 2009 00:48 | [舉報垃圾留言]

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一個正常成年日大概20分鐘可以步行1公里

當主角走慢一倍

13公里要走520分鐘

大概不足9小時

其實我不太清楚馮友大是說他們走太多還是走太少...


[引用] | 作者 天藍 | 27th Oct 2009 21:48 | [舉報垃圾留言]

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可能因為你描述得有趣吧,看完後反而有興趣一看...

心美Summy
[引用] | 作者 心美Summy | 27th Oct 2009 21:29 | [舉報垃圾留言]